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Monday, April 23, 2012

Cleopatra's Children

It’s good to be the Queen. It’s not so great to be her children.
For the last 300 years of the “Pharaohs” NONE of them were Egyptian. They were all Greek. The Ptolemaic Dynasty ruled Egypt from 323 B.C. to 30 B.C.. The first “Greek” Pharaoh was Ptolemy I, a commander serving under Alexander the Great. After Alexander’s death in 323 B.C., Ptolemy became the Pharaoh of Egypt. For the next 300 years in Egypt, every ruling male was named Ptolemy and every ruling female was named Cleopatra. To distinguish them from one another, each was given a number after their name. Virtually all of the Ptolemaic Pharaohs were produced by inbreeding. This was the way power was kept consolidated in the family.
Fast forward to the famous Cleopatra we all know. She is Cleopatra VII. Initially she married her brother, Ptolemy XIII, as was the family’s custom, but they had no children. Next she was involved with Julius Caesar (as his mistress) and bore him one son named Caesarion. This child was represented in the 1963 film “Cleopatra.” After Julius Caesar’s death, Cleopatra married Mark Anthony. The story up to this point is fairly well known.
But we were wondering . . . what happened to Caesarion, and did Cleopatra and Mark Anthony have any children? Well, we have the answers.
Caesarion was born in 47 B.C.. Julius Caesar, who was already married, never acknowledged that Caesarion was his son, but allowed him to be his namesake. The little boy’s full name was “Ptolemy XV Philopator Philometor Caesar”, no wonder it was shortened to Caesarion. He spent most of his first 2+ years in Rome. After Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 B.C., Cleopatra and her son returned to Egypt. Caesarion was proclaimed Pharaoh of Egypt and Cyprus; but in name only as his mother was co-ruler. 
With Julius Caesar dead, his nephew Octavian and friends Mark Anthony and Lepidus jointly ruled the empire. Cleopatra and Mark Anthony met, fell in love and married (Anthony was already married). They had three children together. Twins were born in 40 B.C., a boy, Alexander Helios and a girl, Cleopatra Selene II. Four years later, they had another son, Ptolemy Philadelphus.
Even though they were children, these three were all named as rulers of the countries controlled by Cleopatra and Anthony. Alexander Helios (below right) was the ruler of Armenia, Media (northwestern Iran), and Parthia (northeastern Iran). Cleopatra Selene II was the ruler of Cyrenaica and Libya (both now part of modern Libya). Ptolemy Philadelphus was named ruler of Phoenicia (Israel and Lebanon), Syria, and Cilicia (southeastern Turkey).
Eventually war broke out between Octavian (now known as Augustus) and the Mark Anthony/Cleopatra forces. Caesarion was hidden by his mother in a small port town but was discovered by Augustus’ men. He was captured and executed. Caesarion was not only the last of the Greek line of pharaohs, but the last Pharaoh of Egypt. He was 17 when he died. Mark Anthony and Cleopatra both also died that same year. Anthony committed suicide by stabbing himself, thinking that Cleopatra was already dead; and she committed suicide when she witnessed Anthony’s final moments. It was kind of like an ancient Romeo and Juliet. Mark Anthony was 53, Cleopatra was 39.
All three children of the couple were spared their lives. The twins were 10 years old, little Ptolemy Philadelphus was six. They were taken to Rome to live under the care of Mark Anthony’s Roman wife, Octavia Minor, who was now also a widow.

On Augustus’ orders, the daughter, Cleopatra Selene II, was later given in an arranged marriage to Juba, the Berber King of Mauretania (Algeria and Tunisia). She lived to the age of 34. Her brothers never reached adulthood; Alexander Helios died at 15 and Ptolemy Philadelphus lived only to the age of seven.
So now we have some closure to the question of what happened to Cleopatra’s children.

20 comments:

  1. That's not true because when Cleoptra Selene married with Juba, Alexander Helios was there too. I have read it on Wikipedia :P

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    1. False .the other two did not survive childhoods happened is not known.

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    2. Well, if you read it on Wikipedia then it must true. Not! Who writes Wikipedia??? Certainly not respected experts in their field or historians or learned scholars. Don't get me wrong - wikipedia can be useful, but not everything it contains is factual or correct. I wouldn't toss out every other historical source for just the Wikipedia.

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    3. If you get it off wikipedia you need to look in other places to make sure it is correct same with any website or book.

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  2. You can't believe everything you see on Wiki and if I've done a lot of research and discovered that it had not be determined.

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  3. What do you think of America Unearthed saying that helios could have lived in the grand canyon in a cave that could fit 50,000 people and that artifacts where found by a Smithsonian institution expidition back in 1908 I believe backed by flight restrictions by the government so these cave cannot be discovered again as wellas pueblos indians saying some of this is on there folklore history? They say many peoples have traveled to the americas before the so thought Spaniards and that the vikings, knights templar, and various people came before Christopher Columbus. I believe why did our fore fathers put pyramids on our currency.why do we have a Egyptian

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    1. Ahhh...now you all are getting it...the fact is that Mary Magdelene was the granddaughter of Cleopatra, but the evidence is hidden by the Church on which one of the children is her and Lazarus's parent. This would make her and Jesus's children of double royalty lineage, the true rulers of the Roman and Egyptian, and Davidian kingdoms. the trip by Mary M. and her Roman guardians, including Lazarus himself did only go to France, but Lazarus and his gaurdians did go to N.A. by way of Iceland and Greenland and Nova Scotia....Beware of the stories by the Church and it's whacko followers....they think they are slick, but the books were hidden by the Essenese and Ebionites before they were all killed by the Romans under powerful sway by the Mithras, which ended up being the Church...The Catholic Church.....I'm a common sense historian and know for sure that the northern African peoples during the time of Yeshua were skilled sailors and without any doubt sailed to our continent. There can be no doubt as well, that very skilled Chinese sailors had also come to our continent...I say our continent because during those times the N. and S. Americas would have still be one...no canal. History is not too hard to figure out but the damn Catholics have tried to cover so much up and kill off those who knew correct information...remember, the Mithras wanted nothing more than to have control over the Roman Emperors, which I believe they were all part of the original political wheel of Rome. Mithraism is Christianity, and Yeshua really was an Essene which is not far removed from Buddhism, which is where Essenism got its Ways while they(Jews) were imprisoned. 500-600BC....Did you all know that the only book that ever mentions the "Virgin Birth" is Mark, which was changed by the Church fathers.....look up the letters to and from James(not Jesus's Brother) to the Church fathers letting them know that the virgin birth is not what is correct, and the response to him saying they know the truth but that is not what they are going to put into their faith. Think hard and research hard. These books and scrolls being found now is not by accident, but by purpose.....they knew what they were doing when they hid them.....ha ha Fuck You Catholic/Mithraic Church

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    2. Very interesting. But we're did you find this type of info? Check out markperson online.com

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    3. Interesting- what is you list of books to read?

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    4. Hmmm, not sure what you are trying to discredit, the anger spewed is from your own thoughts. Jesus is the true God, born of the Virgin Mary, He died to save us from our sins, this is all we need to believe and to follow what Jesus taught, love one another. Ask Jesus to come into your heart. Let go of the anger.

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    5. I see a lot of hidden truth coming out. Happy to see it. Now if you get to the Greek woman "Hellice" ,the hellination of IS -RA -EL, Ben Isma-El , and Pyramid City and the Hopi tribe ; the pieces will arrange themselves.

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  4. We don't have any account on how Ptolemy and Helios lived after arriving in Rome...and even if they had died we don't know when, where, or how.

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  5. Well that's a theory that I never heard before! Very interesting!

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  6. Where are your sources? If this site is suppose to be legit, you should give sources. You should know that

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  7. ALEXANDER Helios did not survive to adult Hood and neither did Ptolemy. I don't know for sure but I think they we're both murdered when they got to Rome but Selene was saved because she was a girl. MAYBE it was to stop the boys from inheriting Any throne.

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  8. Please can you amend this - re Alexander Helios and Ptolemy Ph

    No. They were taken to Rome to be paraded in Octavian's triumph, loaded with chains they couldnt walk so were put in a cert to walk before the tableau of Cleopatra's suicide. So wrote Plutarch in The Life of M Antonius. Yes later they were put in the household of Octavia, partly because Octavia was the dreaded rival of Cleopatra.
    Historians are v kind to Octavian, a spiteful man.

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  9. Oh, come on Octavian was a good emperor, being full of himself came with the territory. It's really impossible to know whether or not Helios and Ptolomy died or not. The fact is that there is a cave in Arizona with Egyptian pictures that are illuminated during equinoxes. Thry have buildup over them consistent with being carved in the first century BC. Who the heck carved them? It is well known Egyptians were afraid of the "Ocean Sea". I think perhaps dna may someday provide an answer, if maybe some native americans are found to have ancient greek and Egyptian dna, we could finally assume just like Wiki isn't always correct, Plutarch didn't have all the facts. Funerals would not be held for someone despised, and the Egyptians did have a lot of gold, wich could have bought freedom back then. Who knows. Who else could have had access to a large vessel from Egypt capable of crossing the Pacific? Who the heck decided to carve Egyptian gods, consistent with their religion in the first century B. C. ? One of Pompey's pirates got drunk and had a month long bencher and woke up with a monster hangover and carved that to beg the gods rid him of his misery? Who knows, all we can be sure of is that the locals didn't carv them Someone from Egypt had to be here (America) 2100 years ago give or take decade or 5.

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  10. Augustus I guess would be better to call him, because he did use that name most of his life. Spiteful maybe now, but if you put yourself in the average Romans sandal, he was one of the best if not the best emperor they had. I take Octavian over Little Bootsies or Nero any day of the week...

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  11. And I would take any of them over Trump today...

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  12. Octavian became an emperor and he took a new name as AUGUSTUS. So, you are talking about the same man, no need to compare them.

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